I get a lot of loonies on my blog. I guess, if like me, you speak unapologetically against religion! That is to be expected, in a day i usually get 10-20 posts that look something like this.
“YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY! I KNOW THE ONLY TRUTH YOU SATAN………..”
They always make me laugh, but i also feel a little sad for the poster, it must be hard going through life without ever experiencing two brain neurons firing simultaneously.
The other type of religious person are the “usually sane people” apart from the topic of their religion. Don’t get me wrong, if i talk about any other religion apart from theirs, they usually applauds my efforts.
This last group is particularly sad, they see how utterly insane other religions are, yet somehow they cannot see that their own is just as bad?.
I haven’t really done a post on this latter group, i have been thinking about it, but i didn’t have any really good examples on how these people bring the contradictions of their religious beliefs into their every day life.
A poster Derek have been posting comments on a variety of my articles, but what made me choose him as an example was when he posted some links to some creationist nonsense, on my article Is God impotent? Evil? or non-existent? and claiming this as some sort of evidence that there is a god?.
I will take a closer look at the specifics of his so called evidence shortly, i would just like to point out some interesting things about his blog before i start.
Derek on his blog is a virulent defender of Christianity, as well as a virulent adversary of Islam i wont go into these posts to much its enough to say that they follow the usual religious tirade with the same arguments defending both sides of the argument. Ie: for Christianity: the crusades where not violent since they where his gods judgment / against Islam: Muhammed carried out his own crusades. ehhhh ? are crusades good or bad, what, hu?
I am sorry derek but this is like saying murder is good when the CIA does it but not when its done by the KGB.
I have decided to use a kinder language, since i have gotten some critique for calling these idiots, idiots, without apology. I will instead focus on the glaring inconsistencies that stems from following a major religion like the Christian faith.
I have made many posts like Is God impotent? Evil? or non-existent? that point out the immense improbability of the existence of any god. This post will look at how religious people try to defend their faith and the faulty way they present their evidence and arguments. always the information presented in favor of god is speculation, or plainly false.
In Dereks post that is supposed to argue for the existence of god he opens like this
“Most atheists think that the Earth got here by pure chance. The big bang theory is contradictory. Here’s the big bang theory put in simple words: First there was nothing, then it exploded. “
This is of course false, most Atheists believe that we haven’t figured out what caused the big bang yet, (that we haven’t figured it out yet doesn’t prove the existence of any deity) Big bang theory is actually a model for the universe back to about 13,7 billion years ago. The big bang as theorized is supported by a lot of evidence, microwave background radiation, light spectrum shift, the distribution and makeup of galaxies, etc cosmology has only been a field of study for about 100 years.
God isn’t supported by any evidence at all! even though this has been a field of study for approximately, 2000 years.
Now which one would you choose if you had a choice? the purely speculative option or the option that has a lot of evidence supporting it?
Difficult wouldn’t you say? “schould i chose pure speculation or fact???? hmmm???.
Derek then continues with the usual “he is eternal the beginning the end, bla bla” but that is to be expected, then he claims that we humans cant grasp something eternal. This is of course total nonsense, think of a circle! Tadaaa! you just imagined something eternal without an end! not really hard is it. Anyway its even more unlikely that there is some deity outside the boundaries of space and time that created space and time?
Dereks next argument is the “unlikely argument” ( if you do the math the most unlikely scenario of all is the existence of god) in short his argument goes like this. First: the likelihood of a planet like earth, around a star is one in 10 million or something that is so unlikely that it cant happen by chance. Its only unlikely until you bring the actual number of stars into the universe into account, the universe is estimated to contain at least 1021 stars 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars, even the most pessimistic probability calculation for the creation of an earth, gives a result where there are thousands of planet earths out there.
Actually by this argument even in its most ext ream scenario makes god absolutely impossible. Lets say that we have evidence for one earth so in any case we can say that earth is a probability of 1 in 1021 now we have no evidence at all for god so a 0 probability in whatever number equals 0……
The second part of the argument goes against the creation of life, it baffles me why religious people still use this argument. it has been scientifically proven that comet ice when exposed to ultraviolet light creates amino acids, that mixed with water and carbon gives self replicating molecules ever more complex IE: life.
Secondly evolution isn’t a random process, its a gradual development, that isn’t random at all. ( didn’t religious people go to school and study this in biology)
Now if you carry this process of how unlikely things are how unlikely will then god be? i guess religious people dont have to worry about that since they seam to decide their matters of faith in the absence of fact.
He concludes this argument with presenting genesis as the accurate description of how things came to be what they are today, never mind the fact that todays species are relatively new on a geological timescale, and never mind that 90% of all spiesis that ever lived are now extinct. Humans are relatively new on the scene and it is scientifically proven that we evolved from other hominids, if genesis was right shouldn’t it say that God created Australopithecus that would become man? Like most religious people Derek expects us to disregard the mountains of evidence that irrevocably proves that Genesis is pure fiction.
Anyway the next time, you meet a religious person, think about this. Do you really want to take someone that is this deluded seriously? i dont! would you elect someone this deluded to public office? do you want them anywhere near your kids? i know i dont.
I really feel sorry for all you religious people out there, it must be hard to live with such delusions. forcing your mind to ignore obvious facts like that…. its sad.
August 9, 2007 at 8:20 am |
Im just pulling your leg i couldn’t care less if you pray, or who you pray for, or to.
August 8, 2007 at 8:58 pm |
In order to do something nasty back to someone, the other person needs to do something nasty in the first place.
August 7, 2007 at 3:38 pm |
You get it all wrong D we atheists believe in returning the favors given to us, , but you see i dont wish to cause you any harm. Im sorry but im not nasty enough to do something equally nasty to you
August 7, 2007 at 2:39 pm |
lol. I love that kind of reaction to the phrase, “I’m praying for you.” You’re really making a big deal out of all this. (by the way, wouldn’t it be superstitious to wish someone luck?)
August 7, 2007 at 6:08 am |
If i was superstitious like you i would say i curse you to, but im not into pointless exercises. So i will just wish you luck.
August 7, 2007 at 2:05 am |
So what if I used the wrong word: “imagine” instead of “understand.”
Good luck. You really need it with THAT argument. And just because I’m gonna get a kick out of this, I would just like to say: I’m praying for you.
August 6, 2007 at 6:29 pm |
Just one example of many
“Sure, mabye humans CAN “imagine” something eternal. We CAN’T, however, visualize it. I don’t use the word, “visualize” as I do the word, “imagine.” I use the word, “visualize” as I do the word, “visualize.”
Imagining and visualizing is the same thing, on top of that the base consept something eternal this isn’t a hard concept to understand at all.
Secondly i already answered this question in my previous response to you, remember you claimed creation figured out buy the bible, Lol it just cracks me up.
anyway
Good luck and all that
August 6, 2007 at 5:17 pm |
If you would, please show me the “invalid” argument I made.
August 6, 2007 at 4:00 pm |
You claimed that the bible had creation, all figured out! And that the creationist bull was your facts. IE: the dinosaurs on earth along side people nonsense.
Now i have been harsh on you D even unfriendly and rude, I must give it to you, you are tenacious even by religious freak standards, but you are also getting very predictable.
Just like most other religious person i have a discussion with, you jump from angle to angle looking for imaginary faults in indisputable facts, coupled with one unfounded claim after another.
I cant help you D, i doubt you can help yourself! So for my rudeness i apologize. If you dont want me to disrespect you in the future please back up your claims with at least a valid argument and if at all possible facts.
If not i suggest that we go our separate ways. We will never agree unless you suddenly free yourself from your superstition so i guess there is no point in us continuing this dilogue.
August 6, 2007 at 2:32 pm |
If that accusation is true, where did I use scripture as science? Quote me if you can. I know that I didn’t say, “Well, because my scripture says so, it is true.” If I said that, I wouldn’t be winning this argument, would I?
August 6, 2007 at 5:37 am |
The religious mindset, especially one like yours, people that disregard fact, science the truth and replaces it with bronze age bull is the cause countless deaths every day.
Osama has the same approach to life that you have. Throw all reason and fact out the window, this holy text tells me what to do.
August 5, 2007 at 9:25 pm |
So now you think I want to kill you? Where did you come up with that idea? I’m just proving you wrong (not scientifically, but logically), and then pointing out the flaws in your argument.
August 5, 2007 at 10:02 am |
I am angry with you, your train of thought, the mindset you have. Is what gave us the holocaust, the crusades, the inquisition, its people with your mindset that defend pedophile catholic priests, creationism and countless other insults against the human rase and the human spirit.
August 4, 2007 at 11:10 pm |
I don’t think being an atheist sounds like the right thing to do. After all, look how angry you guys are all the time. Look how rude, ignorant, and negative you are.
I’m sorry, but there’s no way that atheism could possibly win anyone over after reading your comments. (and no, I wasn’t thinking about it, nor will I ever)
August 4, 2007 at 11:07 pm |
Insane, incredibly stupid, or incredibly annoyed that they were called stupid after finding evidence.
August 4, 2007 at 9:34 am |
Wikipedia entries also get corrected by everyone, so erroneous entries don’t last long.
I am afraid i have lost all respect for you, i wouldn’t read anything you recommend. Anyone that claims dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time is either insane or incredebly stupid.
August 3, 2007 at 5:05 pm |
Actually, yes I did give you a link that gave you the title of the book that was put together by the specialists I talked about. Mabye you should look into the subject.
You also realize that Wikipedia entries can be written by anyone?
August 3, 2007 at 7:20 am |
Geno, the topics covered on this blog is covered quite well in Wikipedia, Plus Wikipedia in most cases contain links to additional background information as well.
That you are a chemist explains a lot, you know you are supposed to Wear a mask when dealing with certain chemicals dont you?
August 2, 2007 at 8:20 pm |
wilipedia – the science reference book for who? Sorry, as a chemist, I don’t do my research out of wikipedia – that is the lazy layman’s reference.
(but then again, they don’t use big words)
August 2, 2007 at 6:34 pm |
Ok D
Who is it that gave you the information? what is his name, what is his expertise, can i question him about how he reaches his conclutions?
So far you guys haven’t produced one single piece of evidence to support any of your claims.
All my claims are independently verifiable http://www.wikipedia.com is a good place to start. go nutts, ohhh wait is it possible to go nutts when like you guys you are totally deranged to beginn with?